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Friday, 11 January 2013

If the Shill fits.....

.... Just Sayin'.


I Was a Paid Internet Shill


internet-shillBy Ex-Shill, Above Top Secret
I am writing here to come out of the closet as a paid shill. For a little over six months, I was paid to spread disinformation and argue political points on the Internet. This site, ATS, was NOT one that I was assigned to post on, although other people in the same organization were paid to be here, and I assume they still walk among you. But more on this later.
I quit this job in the latter part of 2011, because I became disgusted with it, and with myself. I realized I couldn’t look myself in the mirror anymore. If this confession triggers some kind of retribution against me, so be it. Part of being a real man in this world is having real values that you stand up for, no matter what the consequences.
My story begins in early 2011. I had been out of work for almost a year after losing my last job in tech support. Increasingly desperate and despondent, I jumped at the chance when a former co-worker called me up and said she had a possible lead for me. “It is an unusual job, and one that requires secrecy. But the pay is good. And I know you are a good writer, so its something you are suited for.” (Writing has always been a hobby for me).
She gave me only a phone-number and an address, in one of the seedier parts of San Francisco, where I live. intrigued, I asked her for the company’s URL and some more info. She laughed. “They don’t have a website. Or even a name. You’ll see. Just tell them I referred you.” Yes, it sounded suspicious, but long-term joblessness breeds desperation, and desperation has a funny way of overlooking the suspicious when it comes to putting food on the table.
The next day, I arrived at the address – the third floor in a crumbling building. The appearance of the place did not inspire confidence. After walking down a long, filthy linoleum-covered corridor lit by dimly-flickering halogen, I came to the entrance of the office itself: a crudely battered metal door with a sign that said “United Amalgamated Industries, Inc.”
I later learned that this “company” changed its name almost monthly, always using bland names like that which gave no strong impression of what the company actually does. Not too hopeful, I went inside. The interior was equally shabby. There were a few long tables with folding chairs, at which about a dozen people were tapping away on old, beat-up computers. There were no decorations or ornaments of any type: not even the standard-issue office fica trees or plastic ferns. What a dump. Well, beggars can’t be choosers.
The manager, a balding man in his late forties, rose from the only stand-alone desk in the room and came forward with an easy smile. “You must be Chris. Yvette [my ex-co-worker] told me you’d be coming.” [Not our real names]. “Welcome. Let me tell you a little about what we do.” No interview, nothing. I later learned they took people based solely on referral, and that the people making the referrals, like my ex-colleague Yvette, were trained to pick out candidates based on several factors including ability to keep one’s mouth shut, basic writing skills, and desperation for work.
We sat down at his desk and he began by asking me a few questions about myself and my background, including my political views (which were basically non-existent). Then he began to explain the job. “We work on influencing people’s opinions here,” is how he described it. The company’s clients paid them to post on Internet message boards and popular chartrooms, as well as in gaming forums and social networks like Facebook and MySpace. Who were these clients? “Oh, various people,” he said vaguely. “Sometimes private companies, sometimes political groups.”
Satisfied that my political views were not strong, he said I would be assigned to political work. “The best people for this type of job are people like you, without strong views,” he said with a laugh. “It might seem counterintuitive, but actually we’ve found that to be the case.” Well, OK. Fine. As long as it comes with a steady paycheck, I’d believe whatever they wanted me to believe, as the guy inGhostbusters said.
After discussing pay (which was much better than I’d hoped) and a few other details, he then went over the need for absolute privacy and secrecy. “You can’t tell anyone what we do here. Not your wife, not your dog.” (I have neither, as it happens.) “We’ll give you a cover story and even a phone number and a fake website you can use. You will have to tell people you are a consultant. Since your background is in tech support, that will be your cover job. Is this going to be a problem for you?” I assured him it would not. “Well, OK. Shall we get started?”
“Right now?” I asked, a bit taken aback.
“No time like the present!” he said with a hearty laugh.
The rest of the day was taken up with training. Another staff member, a no-nonsense woman in her thirties, was to be my trainer, and training would only last two days. “You seem like a bright guy, you’ll get the hang of it pretty fast, I think,” she said. And indeed, the job was easier than I’d imagined. My task was simple: I would be assigned to four different websites, with the goal of entering certain discussions and promoting a certain view. I learned later that some of the personnel were assigned to internet message boards (like me), while others worked on Facebook or chatrooms. It seems these three types of media each have different strategy for shilling, and each shill concentrates on one of the three in particular.
My task? “To support Israel and counter anti-Israeli, anti-Semitic posters.” Fine with me. I had no opinions one way or another about Israel, and who likes anti-Semites and Nazis? Not me, anyway. But I didn’t know too much about the topic. “That’s OK,” she said. “You’ll pick it up as you go along. For the most part, at first, you will be doing what we call “meme-patrol.” This is pretty easy. Later if you show promise, we’ll train you for more complex arguments, where more in-depth knowledge is necessary.”
She handed me two binders with sheets enclosed in limp plastic. The first was labeled simply “Israel” in magic-marker on the cover, and it had two sections .The first section contained basic background info on the topic. I would have to read and memorize some of this, as time went on. It had internet links for further reading, essays and talking points, and excerpts from some history books. The second, and larger, section was called “Strat” (short for “strategy”) with long lists of “dialogue pairs.” These were specific responses to specific postings.
If a poster wrote something close to “X,” we were supposed to respond with something close to “Y.” “You have to mix it up a bit, though,” said my trainer. “Otherwise it gets too obvious. Learn to use a thesaurus.” This section also contained a number of hints for de-railing conversations that went too far away from what we were attempting. These strategies included various forms of personal attacks, complaining to the forum moderators, smearing the characters of our opponents, using images and icons effectively, and even dragging the tone of the conversation down with sexual innuendo, links to pornography, or other such things. “Sometimes we have to fight dirty,” or trainer told us. “Our opponents don’t hesitate to, so we can’t either.”
The second binder was smaller, and it contained information specific to the web sites I would be assigned to. The sites I would work were: Godlike Productions, Lunatic Outpost, CNN news, Yahoo News, and a handful of smaller sites that rotated depending on need. As stated, I was NOT assigned to work ATS (although others in my group were), which is part of the reason I am posting this here, rather than elsewhere. I wanted to post this on Godlike Productions at first, but they have banned me from even viewing that site for some reason (perhaps they are onto me?). But if somebody connected with this site can get the message to them, I think they should know about it, because that was the site I spent a good 70% of my time working on.
The site-specific info in the second binder included a brief history each site, including recent flame-wars, as well as info on what to avoid on each site so as not to get banned. It also had quite detailed info on the moderators and the most popular regged posters on each site: location (if known), personality type, topics of interest, background sketch, and even some notes on how to “push the psychological buttons” of different posters. Although I didn’t work for ATS, I did see they had a lot of info on your so-called “WATS” posters here (the ones with gold borders around their edges). “Focus on the popular posters,” my trainer told me. “These are the influential ones. Each of these is worth 50 to 100 of the lesser known names.”
Each popular poster was classified as “hostile,” “friendly,” or “indifferent” to my goal. We were supposed to cultivate friendship with the friendly posters as well as the mods (basically, by brownnosing and sucking up), and there were even notes on strategies for dealing with specific hostile posters. The info was pretty detailed, but not perfect in every case. “If you can convert one of the hostile posters from the enemy side to our side, you get a nice bonus. But this doesn’t happen too often, sadly. So mostly you’ll be attacking them and trying to smear them.”
At first, like I said, my job was “meme-patrol.” This was pretty simple and repetitive; it involved countering memes and introducing new memes, and didn’t demand much in-depth knowledge of the subject. Mostly just repetitive posting based on the dialogue pairs in the “Strat” section of the first binder. A lot of my job was de-railing and spamming threads that didn’t go our way, or making accusations of racism and anti-Semitism. Sometimes I had to simply lie and claim a poster said something or did something “in another thread” they really hadn’t said or done I felt bad about this…but in the end I felt worse about the possibility of losing the first job I’d been able to get since losing my “real” job.
The funny thing was, although I started the job with no strong opinions or political views, after a few weeks of this I became very emotionally wedded to the pro-Israel ideas I was pushing. There must be some psychological factor at work…a good salesman learns to honestly love the products he’s selling, I guess. It wasn’t long before my responses became fiery and passionate, and I began to learn more about the topic on my own. “This is a good sign,” my trainer told me. “It means you are ready for the next step: complex debate.”
The “complex debate” part of the job involved a fair amount of additional training, including memorizing more specific information about the specific posters (friendly and hostile) I’d be sparring with. Here, too, there were scripts and suggested lines of argument, but we were given more freedom. There were a lot of details to this more advanced stage of the job – everything from how to select the right avatar to how to use “demotivationals” (humorous images with black borders that one finds floating around the web). Even the proper use of images of cats was discussed. Sometimes we used faked or photo-shopped images or doctored news reports (something else that bothered me).
I was also given the job of tying to find new recruits, people “like me” who had the personality type, ability to keep a secret, basic writing/thinking skills, and desperation necessary to sign on a shill. I was less successful at this part of the job, though, and I couldn’t find another in the time I was there.
After a while of doing this, I started to feel bad. Not because of the views I was pushing (as I said, I was first apolitical, then pro-Israel), but because of the dishonesty involved. If my arguments were so correct, I wondered, why did we have to do this in the first place? Shouldn’t truth propagate itself naturally, rather than through, well…propaganda? And who was behind this whole operation, anyway? Who was signing my paychecks? The stress of lying to my parents and friends about being a “consultant” was also getting to me. Finally, I said enough was enough. I quit in September 2011. Since then I’ve been working a series of unglamorous temp office jobs for lower pay. But at least I’m not making my living lying and heckling people who come online to express their views and exercise freedom of speech.
A few days ago I happened to be in the same neighborhood and on a whim thought I’d check out the old office. It turns out the operation is gone, having moved on. This, too, I understood, is part of their strategy: Don’t stay in the same place for too long, don’t keep the same name too long, move on after half a year or so. Keeping a low profile, finding new employees through word of mouth: All this is part of the shill way of life. But it is a deceptive way of life, and no matter how noble the goals (I remain pro-Israel, by the way), these sleazy means cannot be justified by the end.
This is my confession. I haven’t made up my mind yet about whether I want to talk more about this, so if I don’t respond to this thread, don’t be angry. But I think you should know: Shills exist. They are real. They walk among you, and they pay special attention to your popular gold-bordered WATS posters. You should be aware of this. What you choose to do with this awareness is up to you.
Yours,
ExShill





http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/

64 comments:

  1. Bingo! easy to spot when you know what you're looking for....

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    1. This is Cryptic. I have not posted here before.

      I see that I have been busted. I apologize unreservedly for any upset I may have caused over the past several weeks. I was sent here to influence opinions and realize I and my two co-conspirators failed.

      Others may post after this pretending to be me. I state clearly on my honor as a human being they are impostors.

      ~ Cryptic

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    2. You didn't influence most of us. To clear your karma, you will need to confess on the rest of the blogs and websites and also point out to others who's the shills.

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    3. lol Something doesnt really read the same as Cryptics other posts. and this statement seems like one trying to discredit Cryptic. I disbelieve that was actually Cryptic. My choice.

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    4. Crap Cryptic! Please say it ain't so! I love your posts, and always am tickled when I come across one. This makes me so sad that you are leaving! I enjoy having differing opinions thrown out here - especially ones that make me think. Best wishes in your continuing (shilling??!?) Lol.

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    5. To Anon 12:27 - D can verify for herself since she can see the IP addresses....

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    6. I don't believe that was really Cryptic, above.

      Cryptic signs off this way: --Cryptic


      Not this way: ~ Cryptic


      Pay attention folks...


      :)

      Ninja Bambi

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    7. Don't care one way or the other if that was Cryptic. HOWEVER, I c&p'd this from Truth Masquerading as Fiction, Scout's Honor! It seems he has thrown caution to the wind and admitted what some of us knew already. Not consistent with his signatures anyway fwiw.

      "Anonymous11 January 2013 16:14
      I don't know how many people will catch the Juden reference. I loved that. That was good.

      Cryptic.

      They never consider that the shills could be their sources. That's what's so funny."

      Let's not forget its because of these shills that people lose their hard-earned money.

      Btw, Someone signed a post similar to you Ninja yesterday - "Nan-ja Bambi"

      Sine Nomine

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    8. Hi Sine Nomine...

      I signed my post Nan-ja Bambi yesterday, for a reason.

      But, sadly, nobody here got my little joke.

      Nevermind.

      It's a UK thing, I think.

      :)

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  2. Gee, We could get an office like that for the Good Guys...Oh, wait a Minute! There are enough Good Guys!!

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  3. look up Water Army - here's a research article from Cornell:

    http://arxiv.org/abs/1111.4297

    MomBot

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  4. I read this post some time ago, on some other site.

    It changes nothing, as far as I can tell. We still comment and post and comment and post, don't we?


    Ninja Bambi.

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    1. Ninja, surely you jest? Did you notice how jarring the shift in opinion was on this board the other day? Did you notice that some popular posters here suddenly changed their opinions and viewpoints? And then changed them back....LOL

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    2. Plain as the nose on my face! lol! ;-)

      Sine Nomine

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    3. What I mean is that regardless of the 'shills' we shall still post and comment, post and comment...

      They can't influence anybody who knows their own mind.

      It's a personal responsibility thing, as with all things, when you are an adult.

      :)

      Ninja Bambi.

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  5. This is a suspicious post to me as well because of how its been released everywhere so suddenly. TIming is everything

    How are we supposed to go Right AND Left ...at the same time?

    This blog wants to assist people with waking up.
    This article tells us to Be Suspicious of everyone of as being a shill.
    Heathers says "Love One Another"

    We can Love One another if were suspicious of each other.

    Very contradicting. Very confused now.

    The Greatest Enemy to Knowledge is not Ignorance it is the illusion of knowledge. -Stephen Hawking

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    1. love one another is the hardest threshold to bridge, isn't it?

      A shill is just a person.

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    2. Breaking The Silence
      The reality of what is really going on in this world. The real news, that the media and their controllers will not tell you.

      View my complete profile

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    3. When you are not afraid, you can love someone even if he is peeling off your fingernails.

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  6. We are all shills for one agenda or another
    For example there are some on here pushing Heathers agenda and will attack those who dont.
    There are others who agree with Ninja Bambi and will encourage her agenda and attack her
    There are others who agree with Sine Metu and....
    There are others who agree with Cryptic...
    There are others who agree with Baab.......

    The above article is a good article ,there are better ones out there which actually describe the different methods in more detail.

    I would like to add a comment though

    Is this what is going to happen here
    One article per day to keep the pot simmering?

    Start Shilling

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    1. just a chuckle, Baab - this is the first time i've seen two articles posted in one day...what timing for your comment about 'one article per day" ;)

      I know what you meant...just enjoyed the laugh

      MomBot

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    2. hahahah baab- I'm waiting. just like everyone else. I don't have all the answers and some of the answers I do have I honestly don't understand. Yet.

      The pot is simmering and coming to a boil. But as I don't have a thermometer I don't know exactly how close to the boiling point we are. But I can see the steam and see the bubbles forming.

      I am a communicator of words and thoughts and energy- a narrator of sorts, but have no control over the actions and the actors in the play.


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    3. Check out Tuesday as there were two posted then ;-)

      Sine Nomine

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    4. Hi hi Baab!

      Just for you, gonna reply to your question, but instead of doing it normally i will attempt to do it in several languages so that it is clearly understood:

      Your question: "One article per day to keep the pot simmering?"

      Two articles were posted today in short succession so
      no ideas won't be read never out of long instance.

      I hope all three of those languages are sufficient.

      Huggs!











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    5. Correction! There's been 3 today! D saved the best till last! lol! :D ;-)


      Sine Nomine

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    6. That's gotta be a record! *feeds D three bars of chocolate*

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    7. ...and coffee. I work for coffee. And chocolate

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    8. well ,
      there you go go.

      you wait all day for one bus and ...

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  7. I think this is appropriate:

    Exodus: Movement of Jah people! Oh-oh-oh, yea-eah!
    .......
    Men and people will fight ya down (Tell me why!)
    When ya see Jah light. (Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!)
    Let me tell you if you're not wrong; (Then, why?)
    Everything is all right.
    So we gonna walk - all right! - through de roads of creation:
    We the generation (Tell me why!)
    (Trod through great tribulation) trod through great tribulation.

    Exodus, all right! Movement of Jah people!
    Oh, yeah! O-oo, yeah! All right!
    Exodus: Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!

    Yeah-yeah-yeah, well!
    Uh! Open your eyes and look within:
    Are you satisfied (with the life you're living)? Uh!
    We know where we're going, uh!
    We know where we're from.
    We're leaving Babylon,
    We're going to our Father land.

    2, 3, 4: Exodus: movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
    (Movement of Jah people!) Send us another brother Moses!
    (Movement of Jah people!) From across the Red Sea!
    (Movement of Jah people!) Send us another brother Moses!
    (Movement of Jah people!) From across the Red Sea!
    Movement of Jah people!

    [Instrumental break]

    Exodus, all right! Oo-oo-ooh! Oo-ooh!
    Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
    Exodus!
    Exodus! All right!
    Exodus! Now, now, now, now!
    Exodus!
    Exodus! Oh, yea-ea-ea-ea-ea-ea-eah!
    Exodus!
    Exodus! All right!
    Exodus! Uh-uh-uh-uh!

    Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!

    Open your eyes and look within:
    Are you satisfied with the life you're living?
    We know where we're going;
    We know where we're from.
    We're leaving Babylon, y'all!
    We're going to our Father's land.

    Exodus, all right! Movement of Jah people!
    Exodus: movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!

    Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!

    Jah come to break downpression,
    Rule equality,
    Wipe away transgression,
    Set the captives free.

    Exodus, all right, all right!
    Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
    Exodus: movement of Jah people! Oh, now, now, now, now!
    Movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!
    Movement of Jah people!

    Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Uh-uh-uh-uh!
    Move(ment of Jah people)!
    Move(ment of Jah people)!
    Move(ment of Jah people)!

    Bob Marley was a Prophet. How true his words ring today. If he were alive now, he'd be smiling. He had more Wisdom in one fingernail than most "critical thinkers" of today.

    Bless us All

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    1. If Bob Marley was alive today, he would write a song and title it "Soon".

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    2. ... I think i'll go listen to that right now- thank you my friend! Bob is awesome!

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    3. Bob Marley would never call anyone a shill, or a troll.
      There's ALOT of that going on here.
      - just sayin

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    4. You should also listen to "Get up, Stand up", "One Love", and "Redemption Song" for even more "enlightenment". Nothing but the Truth. I don't waste my time with people who don't get it yet. Why would I? They have their own "truth" they're living. Love to us All, and THANK YOU, D!!! Much Love to you. Naysayers/doubters/shills, etc. should listen to the words and think about which side they want to be on. What are you doing to make the world a better place for you and your families? I hope you can all find it within you to open to bigger possibilities and better outcomes for All. I have nothing but Love for you ALL, no matter your beliefs.

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    5. Really, Anon 10:27? Maybe you should read and UNDERSTAND the first three lines of the song. Get over people calling a spade a spade. Love and Blessings to you.

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    6. Michael,

      Thank You for your condescending tone, suggesting I don't understand Bob's lyrics. I understand them perfectly.

      The point is:

      Tactics, Name-calling, Anger, Suspicion, Fear, Condescension, etc.. are Non-Spiritual, Divisive, Human Dark behaviors. These traits are shown by people who are not yet ascended, enlightened, in-touch with their higher selves, whatever you'd like to call it. And shows they're still living in their fear-based world.

      On the other hand, Bob was and is evolved, ascended, enlightened, in touch with his higher-self.
      Bob Marley expresses himself with LOVE and WITHOUT LOWERING HIMSELF to name-calling because he IS of the Light. He doesn't condescend to others. He explains and helps others.

      Name-calling only makes people look childish and still in the dark. It doesn't help anyone.

      Imagine someone coming to Bob out of curiosity and asking him:

      "Hey Bob, whats all this 'being controlled' stuff you're talking about? , and Bob, wanting to SPREAD his message of Love, Togetherness, and Unity... replies in short, by calling them a Troll, or Shill?

      This is what happens here I'm sad to see. This is not what Bob Marley preaches.

      Name-calling, is Alienating people. It does not spread Love and Unity. And, it also makes the name-callers message hypocritical when it comes from those who choose of their own free will to alienate rather then choosing to Help Others.

      Anyone who has not seen it, I suggest watching the documentary "Marley" and also "Ziggy Africa Road Trip" which is several episodes. Both are great and beautifully convey how to Unite people with acceptance and patience. Name-calling and condescension are not methods the spiritual employ.

      Namaste

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  8. Until I see a single shred of proof that any change is taking place, everyone is a shill including everyone running these websites. I haven't been given any reason to suspect otherwise.

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    1. that is absolutely your choice to make my friend. I understand.

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  9. I Was a Paid Internet Shill: How Shadowy Groups Manipulate Internet Opinion and Debate
    posted by alcyone

    http://consciouslifenews.com/paid-internet-shill-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-debate/1147073/

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  10. perhaps there are no shills just bored people who have nothing else to do.

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  11. Remember too that there is a very big difference between a paid shill and someone who just doesn't agree with the article. Everyone has a right to their opinion and a right to be able to post that opinion with being attacked as a troll.

    If you don't agree, fine. If you don't agree with a comment, fine. But I request that EVERYONE treats EVERYONE with respect.

    what's the expression? "If you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all", right? If someone is a true troll or shill, just ignore them. they cannot interact is no one will play their game. Ignore them and let the readers discern whether their comment have merit or not.

    a shill standing alone on a street corner all by them selves stomping their feet is easy to spot.

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    1. Message received loud and clear D! Will sit on hands if necessary! Lol!
      ;-)

      Sine Nomine

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    2. Exactly, don't throw fuel on the fire (gotta pay a little more attention to that one myself) though it is hard to hold back when you see an agenda of division and deceit as opposed to someone who is legitimately seeking truth. One thing's for sure though, as others have pointed out, all the sudden attention of late from the shill factory indicates that D is on to something ;0]

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    3. The tried and true lingo on the internet over the years is always the same! Don't feed the Trolls! :D

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  12. Read this article yesterday and it was an eye opener for sure! I personally do not enjoy being the focus of a controversial shitstorm of varying opinions. I can, at times, have a lack of tact in my posts. I am a hot headed, mostly Irish lass with a protective nature for those I care about. Other than that, this article makes it much easier to see the shills after you read it. My intent is to raise awareness and answer valid questions to bring about clarity to those who need it. I love each and every RTS follower regardless of all your varying opinions. Much Love and Light to all my RTS family!

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    1. Tis why we love you KK! ;-)

      Sine Nomine

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    2. Did you ever answer the original question yesterday (before all the racket started) about providing a link or reference to successful UCC filings by Heather? My browser only lets me see the first 200 or so posts, so I have no idea what happens after that - I think someone mentioned a link to PeaceFrog?

      thanks

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    3. All of the UCC's are available for download on the www.peoplestrust1776.org website. I read them all and googled the codes used. Other than that I have nothing else to offer you.

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    4. UCC is not a court like others. One doesn't file an item to be decided by a judge there. Think of the Code of Federal Regulations. It is just a place to register or file notice of an action to be taken by a Federal (USA corporation)agency. Business is carried out world wide through UCC. It appears that Heather, et al has filed such notices and that nobody has rebutted them. That is how we now have legal underpinning for the one people to take action world wide. At least that's the wayit appears to me. :)

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    5. anon 10:39- read http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.ca/2013/01/judge-dale-on-ucc-filings-and-further.html

      you will see that the corporate government cannot possibly refute the UCC filings, because to do so, they must first prove that they are NOT a corporation, which they cannot do,lol- which basically means, we win.

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    6. BTW, i'm not sure is our arrogant gov still even uses the procedures they are supposed to, but CFR notices invite comments from the public on the action to be taken, indeed, that is why they exist in the first place. It was intended as the way the way the people can affect the actions of government. Of course lobbyists also used it a lot and i'm sure there were a lot of bogus comments back in my day. But in my bureaucratic days, it was a fine way to affect the actions of government. The GAO used to audit them.

      It used to be available free through some gov office or other by subscription for free. The GAO (Congressional Government Accounting Office), the guys who found all the trillions missing from DOA and who were working right where the pla...missle hit the Pentagon on 9/11, are also available by free subscription. Buy a BIG bookshelf! :0 Or, I hope they are on line by now. I always had great respect for GAO, probably the swiftest and most professional of all gov personnel. I always thought, if it's there, they're gonna find it.

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    7. D,
      When will this TOPPT victory manifest ?
      All I have seen is business as usual.
      The inauguration was enough to gag a maggot.
      I hope it's not to be a long wait.

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  13. Has BTS ever responded to Peacefrog? Can somebody please answer? Thanks!

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    1. have I EVER responded to peacefrog? several times! :>) why?

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    2. I mean the question about Heather's case being lost. Where can I find it? Thanks.

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  14. One more thing. Life is BEAUTIFUL if you let it be. I used to be negative/pessimistic type, but I can tell you from experience, when you open up to the beauty all around you, you see everyone and everything in a different light. I feel for those stuck in a rut, struggling, suffering, starving, tired, etc. Life isn't supposed to be like that for you or for anyone and it doesn't have to be. I've been broke, forclosed, bankrupt, etc etc etc, but it ALWAYS gets better, if you let it. I know it's hard to see the beauty in Life sometimes (most times for a lot of people), that's why we have to envision and focus our intention on making ourselves better people and those around us will follow. It's not foolish to hope and pray for a better day. It's foolish to close yourself off to possibility and to Love. It's a daily challenge for most, but if you can, YOU will reap the rewards. Money is NOT worth sacrificing your happiness. Is money worth your relationship with those around you who you proclaim to Love? Would you willingly let someone suffer in front of your eyes and do nothing to help them? I don't think most decent people would do that. Yet, we so easily encourage suffering when we don't know or can't see the person we are talking to. When you get to know them, how can you perpetuate suffering on that person or those people? We all have the same problems or have had them. We're the SAME. Love they neighbor, Y'all. That's all we have to do to make the world a beautiful place to be. Love conquers all.

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    1. Got a feeling of deja vu Michael! lol! Great post again!;-)

      Sine Nomine

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    2. Thanks, Friend. I hope the message resonates with some. I am doing all I can for us all to enjoy a better Life, as was intended. I LOVE my life and I want All to experience the Love of themselves and Life. It's our Right. Love to you.

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  15. Trolls/Shills, all represent what ails society today no jobs, hoplessness and for some lack of morals. Until life and liberty are restored we will not be able to pursue happiness.

    Lets have compassion for those that are compelled to operate in this matter, because truly the Devil is making them do it.

    Peace!

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    1. Yup, most shills aren't even evil, they are just desperate to put food on the table for themselves and their family. They are a symptom of a dysfunctional society.

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    2. Hi there D - 12:04 and Anon 11:56

      Well D, this is a prime example as to what I mentioned about "The silly nay-sayers". They always find their way home to Love and Freedom eventually.

      What a gifted writer this guy is! He'll soon find a job to his liking,and get ample pay for it too.

      Blessing to all,
      Joyce

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  16. Man, after years of posting on blogs and reading all sorts of comments from truth seekers to novice and experienced shills, one naturally develops an eye and gut reaction when the truth is being told. Eventually all other crap fades away. I've actually become quite good at it. Is there any money in being a Shill (shit) Detector:)

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  17. Shills are the least of the problem folks. Here is some tangible reality, by a guy with a 190 IQ and the largest philosophy site on the web. There Will Be No Economic Recovery. Prepare Yourselves Accordingly. A good view for balance, peace.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bYkl3XlEneA#!

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